You fail if you are going to Youtube for video quality period. Not what it's for and not what it will be for anytime soon. Lot of people "watch" videos on Youtube while looking the other way, have it minimized or whatever, semi afk and just listening not watching.
Well, your complaining worked. I watched the latest LTT video. (sony TV) and as soon as i switched to full-screen. Bam my brightness was jacked up. I tried to turn it down an I was informed that I could not because a other app was controlling the brightness. Maybe until thia issue is fixed you could stop uploading hdr content? Heard you complain about it on the Wan show too
It could also be because HDR doesn't do all that much for most people. I'm on a 65" Sony HDR TV and I don't even notice when HDR is on unless it's a demonstration
Honestly, i dont think that you Creators have totally understood what we the Viewers want.
From an Artistic Standpoint you are absolutely right. You are capabel of producing Videos in HDR, so you want them to Look as good as they can.
Most of us on the other Hand are using YT to waste Time while Eating alone or Sitting on the Toilet. I really couldnt Care Less about HDR on my Phone. 720p is always enough to get all the Details on that tiny Screen. So basically, i would say that YT knows their Audience pretty well an wont spend Money on Things that they dont need.
why not just upload an sdr version as well as an hdr version as a separate video, and let the user choose which one is appropriate for their hardware? (not great as a solution but at least it is a semi way round it…)
This is one of those things that almost no one gives a shit about except tech savvy ppl and youtubers… no offense… I'm sure 99% of ppl dnt even know what HDR is… honestly I don't know what it means either LOL we have had 4K for a decade now and like 1% of content is even 4K… and now we have 8K with HDR…. I mean wtf is even 8K with HDR…is it delicious? can I have that on a burger?… I have a 4K TV but EVERYTHING is 1080p and I can use streaming apps…….Most is 1080 and looks fine… why would I pay more moneys for 4k or more when I am fine with 1088…..
Google isn't even able to support surroud audio. I'm not talking about fancy stuff like Atmos (in a way the audio equivalent of hdr), just plain old 5.1. The only thing that works is Prologic, but that's just because YouTube doesn't have to support it. That's like saying an old CRT does support 3D because it works with those red and blue glasses.
YouTube still is to focused on video and ignores audio.
I've got expensive HDR10 pc display.. considering alot games don't support it at all (and some rare ones that do majorly f'd everything up) I have whole damn feature turned off.
Use Dolby Vision as your rendering output, it has derived HDR10 – while YT doesn't support DV, your authoring would be simpler. You won't need to upload HDR or SDR footage separately.
While i agree for the most part, please do keep in mind YT is dealing with BILLIONS of videos, Not thousands or millions. Adding a 1kb metadata file to a video results in loads more data stored and transferred, immediately. So imho, i don't want YT to meddle with 8k and HDR too much. I want better quality 1080 and 4k because THAT'S what the majority of us run. (HDR is welcome if it's nice and relatively lightweight 👍)
Hard to stay up to date when you need to scale that to billions. Even when they fix something, it might result in a million broken videos, which is only 0,1% of every billion videos! Nothing is an easy fix at this scale. YT being online, all these videos available 24/7 is a massive blessing that we shouldn't underestimate.
They should fix problems though. But don't add anything new like 8k when it's so much heavier and only used by 0.x% of users.. 🤷🏼
To be honest I think the reason the 4K HDR content isn't more widespread is simple. Non tech geeks just don't care and mostly don't even notice. Its like FPS, if people don't or can't see the difference between 30 and 60fps it doesn't matter to them.
This is off topic from the video, but can anyone explain to me why the dynamic range of photo cameras and cinema cameras are completely different? You can buy an expensive photo camera and you’d be lucky to get more than 10 stops of dynamic range, or you can buy a much cheaper video camera with 14+ stops of dynamic range. When I google why, the best answer anyone gives is “photographers don’t need as much dynamic range for what they do,” but that’s such an empty answer. I’m a photographer who wants more dynamic range, it’s a limit on my artistic choice in how my photo looks. I’d like to see a full video about dynamic range in video vs photo cameras.
You fail if you are going to Youtube for video quality period. Not what it's for and not what it will be for anytime soon. Lot of people "watch" videos on Youtube while looking the other way, have it minimized or whatever, semi afk and just listening not watching.
now i know why some video blast flash on my eye
Well, your complaining worked. I watched the latest LTT video. (sony TV) and as soon as i switched to full-screen. Bam my brightness was jacked up. I tried to turn it down an I was informed that I could not because a other app was controlling the brightness. Maybe until thia issue is fixed you could stop uploading hdr content? Heard you complain about it on the Wan show too
Dolby Vision is the way.
At this point, I’d just be happy if YouTube supported discrete channel surround sound.
Does Floatplane support HDR?
i wish youtube cared.
is this video in HDR? i don't see the option to enable it…
Then on mobile data down to 360p to save on monthly data allowance being eaten up.
What about Floatplane?
It could also be because HDR doesn't do all that much for most people. I'm on a 65" Sony HDR TV and I don't even notice when HDR is on unless it's a demonstration
Honestly, i dont think that you Creators have totally understood what we the Viewers want.
From an Artistic Standpoint you are absolutely right. You are capabel of producing Videos in HDR, so you want them to Look as good as they can.
Most of us on the other Hand are using YT to waste Time while Eating alone or Sitting on the Toilet. I really couldnt Care Less about HDR on my Phone. 720p is always enough to get all the Details on that tiny Screen.
So basically, i would say that YT knows their Audience pretty well an wont spend Money on Things that they dont need.
4080 ti
This was all a waste of time.
why not just upload an sdr version as well as an hdr version as a separate video, and let the user choose which one is appropriate for their hardware? (not great as a solution but at least it is a semi way round it…)
I was always wondering that. Most of my devices are oled hdr.
Rant away Linus. 😃👍
This is one of those things that almost no one gives a shit about except tech savvy ppl and youtubers… no offense… I'm sure 99% of ppl dnt even know what HDR is… honestly I don't know what it means either LOL we have had 4K for a decade now and like 1% of content is even 4K… and now we have 8K with HDR…. I mean wtf is even 8K with HDR…is it delicious? can I have that on a burger?… I have a 4K TV but EVERYTHING is 1080p and I can use streaming apps…….Most is 1080 and looks fine… why would I pay more moneys for 4k or more when I am fine with 1088…..
i have an HDR display but the reason i don't use that capability is because it only lets me run it at full brightness which is very hard on my eyes.
That Venn diagram got me lol
Google isn't even able to support surroud audio. I'm not talking about fancy stuff like Atmos (in a way the audio equivalent of hdr), just plain old 5.1. The only thing that works is Prologic, but that's just because YouTube doesn't have to support it. That's like saying an old CRT does support 3D because it works with those red and blue glasses.
YouTube still is to focused on video and ignores audio.
I've got expensive HDR10 pc display.. considering alot games don't support it at all (and some rare ones that do majorly f'd everything up) I have whole damn feature turned off.
this was a waste of a opportunity, could have put youtube in the title made it a battle cry and gotten credit when youtube fixed their stuff
Use Dolby Vision as your rendering output, it has derived HDR10 – while YT doesn't support DV, your authoring would be simpler. You won't need to upload HDR or SDR footage separately.
I love videos like this. Thank you for using your influence to move tech in the right direction (mostly).
While i agree for the most part, please do keep in mind YT is dealing with BILLIONS of videos, Not thousands or millions.
Adding a 1kb metadata file to a video results in loads more data stored and transferred, immediately.
So imho, i don't want YT to meddle with 8k and HDR too much. I want better quality 1080 and 4k because THAT'S what the majority of us run. (HDR is welcome if it's nice and relatively lightweight 👍)
Hard to stay up to date when you need to scale that to billions.
Even when they fix something, it might result in a million broken videos, which is only 0,1% of every billion videos! Nothing is an easy fix at this scale. YT being online, all these videos available 24/7 is a massive blessing that we shouldn't underestimate.
They should fix problems though. But don't add anything new like 8k when it's so much heavier and only used by 0.x% of users.. 🤷🏼
Welp given that YouTube can't even fix subtitles on Android (they just turn themselves on), it's no surprise 😉
Stick it to them boys.
To be honest I think the reason the 4K HDR content isn't more widespread is simple. Non tech geeks just don't care and mostly don't even notice. Its like FPS, if people don't or can't see the difference between 30 and 60fps it doesn't matter to them.
Does floatplane support your full HDR10+ videos?
This is an LG ultra gear 1080P with HDR, G and freesync.
I have been watching Linus for,
YEARS NOW!
I’m still angry that they made it harder for me to change the resolution
This is off topic from the video, but can anyone explain to me why the dynamic range of photo cameras and cinema cameras are completely different? You can buy an expensive photo camera and you’d be lucky to get more than 10 stops of dynamic range, or you can buy a much cheaper video camera with 14+ stops of dynamic range. When I google why, the best answer anyone gives is “photographers don’t need as much dynamic range for what they do,” but that’s such an empty answer. I’m a photographer who wants more dynamic range, it’s a limit on my artistic choice in how my photo looks. I’d like to see a full video about dynamic range in video vs photo cameras.
My monitor can HDR but I disabled it. I can’t see a big advantage. It just burns out the monitor leds faster.
just because a phone has high resolution
doesn't make it a good viewing experience. anything over 720p is pointless